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Pass Plus

Postby JOHNP » Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:12 pm

Brilliant course if done properly and not as the DSA prescribed.


The Driving Standards Agency has dropped its claim that a road safety programme for young drivers can reduce accidents after being told there is no evidence to back it up.
Young Drivers' Safety Scheme Is Unproven

The Pass Plus driving course was launched in 1995 to counter high accident rates for youngsters and involves six hours of driving lessons at night, on motorways and in bad weather.

Without publicising it, the agency has dropped claims on its website that Pass Plus can reduce accident rates and give "peace of mind" to relatives.

The move comes after the agency was told there was no evidence to back up the claim.

The site now says the extra lessons will "help you become a more confident driver".

Figures obtained by Sky News show 360,000 newly-qualified drivers have spent up to £180 on the course since 2006, with public subsidies of more than £1.75m.

The websites of at least five local authorities still tell youngsters to take subsidised Pass Plus courses to reduce their chance of an accident.

A spokeswoman for the Driving Standards Agency (DSA) said it is not responsible for alerting local authorities that its information has been "updated".

"It is the website owner's responsibility to ensure the information they publish is accurate and up to date," she said.

The car insurance industry, which initially gave big discounts to youngsters who took the course, recognises its limitations.

For Sky's investigation, the Admiral Group analysed more than 4,000 claims involving young drivers.

Spokesman Justin Beddows said: "We could find no evidence that Pass Plus makes a young motorist any safer and less likely to have an accident in the future."

In 2006 the Government was informed by the Association of British Insurers that most young drivers admitted to taking just as many risks on the road after taking Pass Plus.

By 2008 they had been told by the Transport Research Laboratory that the course appeared to make "little or no difference" to accident rates and it was "not possible to determine conclusively whether Pass Plus has a positive effect".

Professor Frank McKenna, a psychologist on the Parliamentary Advisory Council for Transport Safety, believes more confidence could lead to more crashes.

"The worst thing you can do with a young driver is increase their confidence without increasing their competence," he said.

"If there's no increase in competence you potentially run the risk of increasing the chance of accidents."

In a statement supporting Pass Plus, the DSA said: "Post-test training builds upon existing skills and knowledge and gives new drivers additional experience to help them drive more safely.

"New drivers who have taken Pass Plus tell us that it improves their driving skills and confidence on the road and major insurance companies offer discounts to drivers who have taken Pass Plus precisely because they believe that the scheme improves drivers' ability."
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Re: Pass Plus

Postby DonDino » Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:30 pm

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Re: Pass Plus

Postby JOHNP » Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:43 pm

"Shouldn't this go in the Pass Plus forum?"


This has far more implications that just PP.
The DSA sells its schemes as Road Safety benefits but it never turns out to be valid.
Hazard Perception - downgraded by Minister.
Theory- a disaster for Road Safety.
Pass Plus- not what it was sold as.
Independent Driving - wait and see.
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Re: Pass Plus

Postby peter_cary » Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:56 pm


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Re: Pass Plus

Postby Mother Giz » Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:30 pm


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Re: Pass Plus

Postby Princess_Lulu » Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:16 pm

I'll only do Pass Plus if they let us have it like Wales, really cheap for young people (as thats who they seem to aim it at). I'm not paying over a hundred quid to do extra driving lessons. Granted, they cover more than a usual lesson, but its just not worth the money.

But then it makes you think when you read stuff like this, does it really make you a safer driver? I'd say it just gives you different road experiences, but with an ADI in tow.
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2nd Practical: Fail 1s 3m
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Re: Pass Plus

Postby Dannyboi » Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:44 pm

Well im Cancelling my PP Course. I don't find it very beneficial as when i have ooked for insurance quotes with and without PP there is no difference. Been totally Honest alot of the country lane and town driving i have done before. So no point only thing usefull for me would be motoways as i really dislike them although they do get me far when wanting to see my friends who live at other side of the country.

So all in all i don't think the experience is any use also considering i have have Way over the recommended amount of driving lessons. So i have alot of road experience too.
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Re: Pass Plus

Postby Princess_Lulu » Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:47 pm

Passed theory 48/50 and HPT 44/75
1st Practical: Fail 1s 2m
2nd Practical: Fail 1s 3m
3rd Practical: Fail 2s 6m
4th Practical: Pass 3m

Finished Pass Plus Feb 2011
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Re: Pass Plus

Postby Dannyboi » Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:43 pm

LMFAO.

Well i am Re looking into these things again as i have been a bit big headed about it and thought well the experience is better than nothing.
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Too many lesson's to keep taking anymore. I have had 77.5 Hours Over 9 years.
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Re: Pass Plus

Postby howarddrive » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:35 pm

well this is an automospin.
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